Daily Update: TLC preview and odds, Triple H, Raw


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WWE Santiago, Chile, live results: Jinder Mahal vs. Randy Orton
PWG All Star Weekend 13 night two results: Chuck Taylor vs. Ricochet
ROH TV taping results: The road to Final Battle
Kevin Owens clarifies why he had to leave WWE’s South American tour
Triple H to wrestle at WWE’s house show in Chile on Sunday


WOR: TLC PPV preview, PWG report, UFC from Poland, more! 10/22
WOR: Breaking News Audio on changes to TLC, PWG, Nia Jax and more! 10/21
WOL: Breaking news on WWE TLC shakeup, updates on everyone, more! 10/20
Wrestling Weekly: Doing the drives, Monster Factory camp, Burrhead Jones 10/20

We’re looking for your thoughts on the WWE TLC PPV tonight in Minneapolis so you can leave a thumbs up, thumbs down or thumbs in the middle along with a best and worst match to dave@wrestlingobserver.com.

We’re also looking for reports on these shows to newstips@wrestlingobserver.com.

WWE Smackdown Thursday night in Buenos Aries, Argentina
WWE Smackdown Friday night in Buenos Aries, Argentina
WWE Raw from last night in Mankato, MN
NXT from last night in Aiken, SC
NXT tonight in Johnson City, TN

The odds are the most updated we have from 5Dimes. A lot of the results feel obvious but the odds are long enough right now that it appears these are mostly smart money guided odds.

Kurt Angle & Dean Ambrose & Seth Rollins vs. Kane & Braun Strowman & The Miz & Cesaro & Sheamus in a TLC match — This should be a great action packed match although I wish Angle’s return had more hype behind it and a story and also wasn’t in a TLC match. But we all know the reasons, as the company feels they need to give the fans something special in the main event after not having The Shield’s first match back as the show was built around. The babyface team is a -900 favorite and by all rights they should win.

Finn Balor vs. A.J. Styles — This is a late add and really this is a time where neither should lose. Styles is being built up for Jinder Mahal and is coming off losing to Baron Corbin, so it’s not his time to lose, nor Balor’s. The way the company usually books with guys losing when they aren’t continuing on the brand would mean Balor wins here. Balor is a -530 favorite in a match where, unless the finish is known, the odds shouldn’t be that long. This match is expected to be the show stealer and perhaps one of the best WWE matches of the year.

Kalisto vs. Enzo Amore for the Cruiserweight title — Enzo is a -900 favorite here. The cruiserweight title change, when it was made, was a short-term reign and for it to go back to Enzo. Whether that’s here or another week or two is the question, but that’s why Enzo is the big favorite.

Alexa Bliss vs. Mickie James for the Women’s title — Bliss is a -900 favorite and again one would expect her to win since she’s the most featured woman on the Raw side and James is just positioned as her victim to tide things over a month.

Asuka vs. Emma — These two can have a good match, since they did on a Takeover show. But this should be a quick win for Asuka to get her over as a killer rather than a long, competitive match. Asuka is a -5250 favorite, which tells you that nobody thinks Emma can win.

Rich Swann & Cedric Alexander vs. Brian Kendrick & Jack Gallagher — This should be a well wrestled match. Whether people get excited over it is a different story. Kendrick & Gallagher are -210 favorites, the closest thing to short odds on the show.

Alicia Fox vs. Sasha Banks (preshow match) — Even though Banks has won the first two meetings and WWE usually switches results in multiple-match programs, Banks is a -900 favorite.

Overall on paper, this show is much improved. I don’t know that Angle replacing Reigns will make it a better match, but there is more interest and curiosity since Angle hasn’t wrestled in WWE in 11 years. Balor vs. Styles will be the first meeting in the promotion and I can’t recall them ever wrestling in a major company previously. But this show didn’t look good except for the TLC match on paper going in, but now it feels like two excellent matches and an undercard that looks only decent. 

As far as the Kambi odds for the star ratings for tonight’s matches, the over/under are:

Banks vs. Fox *3/4
Asuka vs. Emma ***1/4
Kalisto vs. Enzo **
Balor vs. Styles ****1/2
TLC match ****1/4
Bliss vs. James **3/4
Kendrick & Gallagher vs. Alexander & Swann **1/2

Originally when you could bet on what would win best match for tonight, the original odds came out with Emma vs. Asuka as the favorite followed by TLC and any other match paid +350. Of course people bet on any other match (given Styles vs. Balor) and it was taken off the boards. The new odds are Balor vs. Styles as the best match favorite at -183 while any other match is +130. You can also get +400 odds if you bet that a match tonight will be five stars. Usually that’s +1500.


Tomoyuki Oka & Shota Umino vs. Yujiro Takahashi & Leo Tonga
Jushin Liger & Tiger Mask & Ryusuke Taguchi & ACH vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Desperado & Taichi & Taka Michinoku
Toru Yano & Hirooki Goto vs. Minoru Suzuki & Takashi Iizuka
Hiroshi Tanahashi & Togi Makabe & Katsuya Kitamura vs. Kota Ibushi & Juice Robinson & David Finlay
Kazuchika Okada & Tomohiro Ishii & Yoshi-Hashi vs. Tetsuya Naito & Evil & Seiya Sanada
Kushida & Hirai Kawato vs. Yoh & Sho in the first round of the jr. tag team tournament
Dragon Lee & Titan vs. Hiromu Takahashi & Bushi in the first round of the jr. tag team tournament

Raw will be Monday night from Green Bay, featuring the return of Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman.

SmackDown and 205 Live will be taped on Tuesday in Milwaukee.

FIGURE FOUR WEEKLY: Looking at Neville’s potential post-WWE life 

While Neville’s situation with WWE remains unresolved a week after news broke that he wanted out of the company, his potential entrance into the global pro wrestling landscape would provide the most interesting test case yet of how successful someone could be outside of WWE in this era. Neville being unhappy isn’t an isolated incident.

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WRESTLING OBSERVER NEWSLETTER: October 23, 2017 Wrestling Observer Newsletter: Brock Lesnar vs. Jinder Mahal, Observer Hall of Fame candidates, more

A look at the WWE PPV picture over the next two shows, the championship scene and the TLC show is the lead story in the new issue of the Wrestling Observer, a double issue that features three back-of-the-book features, one on PED usage and lifestyle changes in pro wrestling, one on the life and times of Bobby Heenan and another of the 2017 Hall of Fame.

The lead story looks at Brock Lesnar vs. Jinder Mahal, the return of Kane and some of the new programs.

Look at the ROH Global Wars week, what the business says and doesn’t say, a rundown of the Chicago show, the anti-WWE movement, along with match-by-match coverage with star ratings and poll results.

Examine WWE drug testing, lifestyle changes among the wrestlers, what WWE talent is and isn’t allowed to do, beating tests, TUE’s, what Dave Palumbo said, what WWE has said in response, just how prevalent are TUE’s in WWE compared to other sports, double standards and rules between office, talent and part-time talent, why WWE drug tests in the first place, why the idea that pro wrestling isn’t a competitive situation is as shallow a thinking as possible and how the business has changed over the years as far as the look to be a star.

Look back at the life outside of wrestling of Bobby Heenan.

Check out the 2017 Hall of Fame ballot and thoughts on the candidates including breaking down most of the candidates on the ballot.

Get updates on WrestleMania ticket sales, Jinder Mahal in India, Austin Aries talks the economics outside WWE, WWE earnings and predictions for PPV numbers, and updates on Neville and Nia Jax.

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WON BACK ISSUE: September 25, 2000 Wrestling Observer Newsletter: WWF moving to Viacom, WCW Fall Brawl reviewed, more

The Delaware Supreme Court on 9/18 ruled 3-0 not to overturn the Chancery Court ruling that the WWF would be able to accept the Viacom deal, and thus ending its 17-year relationship with the USA Network. The decision was more than one month in the making, which left much of the entire pro wrestling industry, and both networks, paralyzed to an extent, certainly as it pertained to wrestling programming.

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Bryan and I will be back tonight talking WWE TLC and the rest of today’s news. We’ve done shows the past two nights with all of the WWE issues. You can send questions to tonight’s show to mailbag@wrestlingobserver.com.

Just want to thank everyone I met the last two nights for all the nice words about the current issue and the Bobby Heenan, the PED usage, and Hall of Fame stories.

As of last night, it didn’t look like tonight’s TLC PPV would sell out although it’ll be a good crowd. It’s possible it could sell out with a very strong walkup.

According to WWE, there is no set timetable on when Kevin Owens would return. He is out of action due to a family matter. 

As far as the other wrestlers, Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns and Bo Dallas, they will be reevaluated in eight days for an update. All WWE Raw talent was ordered to get shots for Measles, Mumps and Rubella on Thursday stemming from the illness that has kept the aforementioned three off tonight’s show.

We’re told Raw is supposed to be a big show on Monday in Green Bay. It’s a smaller arena so it’s expected to be the first Raw sellout in several weeks.

We’ll have a full report up later but HHH beat Rusev on today’s show in Santiago, Chile, using a pedigree for the clean finish. 

Jeff Jarrett was not at the Rise of Legends War Games show last night in Edmonton. River City Wrestling said that Jarrett boarded a plane and left the country Saturday morning after working the night before in Calgary. The promotion announced this yesterday before the show and said anyone who purchased a VIP package can get a free ticket to the show in November in Edmonton as an apology and advanced ticket holders can get a November ticket for just $10. From what we understand, there was an issue when Jarrett flew in and this led to him flying back home after the first show rather than staying for the second show.

WWE WrestleMania Travel Packages are out and are very expensive. WWE is offering its most expensive at $9,175 per person to $8,525 per person for a group of two or more, which guarantees first five row tickets or Mania, Takeover, flying on a private flight with WWE legends from New York to New Orleans, and getting behind the scenes meet and greets with stars. There are a number of cheaper packages that get as low as $2,125 per person for 100 level seating at all the shows, and Axxess tickets down to $1,150 per person for a group or four.
The Miz was the Grand Marshall of the Krewe of Boo parade in New Orleans this weekend. As noted yesterday, Miz & wife Maryse are having a daughter.
Ryan Cabrera, a singer, and Avril Lavigne, who is a major name singer, posted photos dressed up as Miz and Maryse for Halloween. They posted photos and said they actually wore authentic ring outfits that Miz & Maryse had when they went to their house for a party.
We were told that Big Cass was doing Ringside Fest in New York next week and the price was dropped from $69.99 to $49.99 which is a rarity because usually on those shows, the price increases due to demand. Alexa Bliss, for example, is getting $119 for an autograph and photo combo pack which is more than Finn Balor, Braun Strowman and Cass. (thanks to Anthony Murillo)
A story on Jim Ross.
A video of Jim Ross on ESPN promoting his book.
The Anthony Hamilton vs. Craig Wieczorek fight scheduled for yesterday’s show has been moved to the Australia show due to threats of violence related to that fight in Poland. That’s a first in UFC history. There were issues where at first they didn’t have them do the public weigh-in and later for security reasons the fight was pulled off the show. The fight will now take place on 11/18 in Sydney, Australia.
The scheduled Boston Salmon vs. Raoni Barcelos fight scheduled for this coming Saturday in Sao Paulo is off due to Salmon tearing ligaments in his left knee.
Ric Flair will be making an appearance for the House of Glory promotion in New York on 12/16 at Club Amazura in Jamaica, Queens, NY.
Results from WrestleCircus last night: Lance Hoyt won three-way over Jeff Cobb and MJF, Scorpio Sky b Sammy Guevara, Ricky Stars & Aaron Solow b Dezmond Xavier & Zachary Wentzs to keep the Big Top tag titles, Sami Callihan b Jordan Len-X in a street fight, Gentleman Jervis & Super Thunderfrog & Supercop Dick Justice & Christi Jaynes & Leva Bates (as Undertaker) b Austin Heiberg & Rockstar Spud & JC Res & Andy Dalton & Gregory James in an elimination match (Heiberg lost the fall and has to leave the promotion), Joey Ryan & Candice LeRae b John Morrison & Taya Valkyrie, Tessa Blanchard b Dave Crist to keep the Sideshow title, Brian Cage b Shane Strickland to win the Ringmaster title when Scorpio Sky interfered. The next show is 11/18 on Twitch. (thanks to Steve Myrick and Jake Koch)
ECWA women’s Super 8 tournament results from last night in Woodbury Heights, NJ: Deonna Purrazzo b Allie Recks, Skylar Mane b Kaitlin Diamond, Karen Q b Christine Marie, Santana Garrett b Samantha Heights, Deonna Purrazzo b Skyler Marie, Karen Q d Santana Garrett, Karen Q won three-way over Santana Garrett and Deonna Purrazzo to win the tournament.
Mada Abdelhamid, who was signed off the 2014 season of Tough Enough by WWE, and then cut, will be in the new Aquaman movie. Abdelhamid was a personal trainer to Jason Momoa, who plays Aquaman.
AAW announced for 11/3 in Berwyn, IL at the Eagles Club David Starr & Jeff Cobb vs. GFW tag champs Dave & Jake Crist, plus Delilah Doom vs Veda Scott and Su Yung vs. Kyle Rae in their womens’ tournament.
XICW posted last night that Teddy Hart wouldn’t be working their show at The Ritz in Warren, MI today.
IPW from last night in Eastbourne, UK: Kip Sabian b Speedball Mike Bailey, Rob Sharpe b Jonny Storm, Nightshade b Veda Scott, Moose b Travis 
Banks to keep the IPW title, Aussie Open b Sammy Smooth & James Castle, Adam Maxted b Brian Storm & Johnny Hurricane, Sid Scala b Lewis Howley-COR. Next show is 11/1 in Milton Keynes with Matt Riddle, Keith Lee and Dave Mastiff. The show aired live on the International Wrestling Network, a paid streaming service. (thanks to Dean Ayass)
California Wrestling Association on 11/5 in Hilmar, CA at the Hilmar Granite Hall called the Evolution of Evil.
Lucha Xtreme TV from yesterday in Fresno: Guy Cool b Snipes, Hoss Hogg b Eli Everfly, Mike Cambin & Hunter Freeman b Dirty Doug & Chris Myra, Shaggy McLovin b Matt Andergrift. (thanks to Jon Southerland)
Michigan Insane Wrestling Revolution from Thursday night in Allen Park, MI: Willie Watts b Ingrid Isley, Caleb Stills b Alex Weir, Try Miguel b Malcolm Monroe III, Brian Castle b Benjamin Boone, Mysterious Movado b Fat Tony, Zach Gowen & DBA & Jaimy Coxx b Gavin Quinn & Joe Coleman & Kef Sweat, Petey Williams won over Kaito Kiyomiya and Idris Abraham. Rhyno owns this promotion. (thanks to Leonard Brand)
An article on NWL wrestler Dak Draper.
Tickets to Major League Wrestling’s follow-up show, MLW Never Say Never, are on sale today for MLW’s return to Orlando this Thursday December 7th. MLW Never Say Never will emanate from Gilt Nightclub in Orlando which hosted MLW: One-Shot. Ticket prices range from $15 – $45 with a limited number of “Golden Ticket” VIP Packages also available. The card for December’s MLW Never Say Never event will be announced in the coming days and weeks. MLW Never Say Never will be available within 72 hours of the event occurring on December 7th with Tony Schiavone and Rich Bocchini calling the action. Learn more about MLW.
The NWA has put out a video telling the story of the history of the NWA title. This video was put together by Billy Corbin and David Lagana.
A story on historical wrestling star Karl Pojello.
“Comics, Beer & Sci-Fi” is a television series that airs late Saturday night on The CW Network in Michigan. It is an entertainment news and discussion program that covers topics such as comic books, movies, tv shows, gaming, collectibles, famous cars, and beer. They did a pro wrestling themed episode that premiered last night featuring “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase, Kevin Nash,  and Mike Mondo. The complete episode was released online today and is now available to watch here.

Today in Professional Wrestling History: Kurt Angle wins his first WWF World title


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